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Could make some interesting exchanges between him and EJ!
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-union/58422532

I think it's positive. Say what you will about him (and, as a Leicester fan, I do), Cockerill is very good at building a horrible pack, especially in the maul. He may be horrendously old-school in some ways, but I think it'll work in the small doses that international rugby allows him with the players. Plus, I think Eddie benefits from a strong personality who's willing to tell him where to go - we certainly improved from having John Mitchell in to add another perspective.

My only major concern is that it sets him up in pole position to take over from Eddie in 2023. I'm perfectly happy with him as a forwards coach, but I really would not be happy with him running the whole show.

Puja

For the most part I agree. I think he could be good squad ‘in small doses’ as you put it.

I would imagine Borthwick is still in the box seat to take over from Eddie and while Cockerill might have already had more success at club level, Borthwick has started really well at Tigers, knows most of the squad and is a much better personality fit for the RFU.

Who is the other bugger?

Scrumhead wrote:For the most part I agree. I think he could be good squad ‘in small doses’ as you put it.

I would imagine Borthwick is still in the box seat to take over from Eddie and while Cockerill might have already had more success at club level, Borthwick has started really well at Tigers, knows most of the squad and is a much better personality fit for the RFU.

Well he couldnt be less like Jones thats for sure!

On Cockerill, i'm happy to wait and see. He's got as lot of experience behind him as player and coach, and maybe having a narrow remit will suit him down to the ground.
What will he do, and what will Proudfoot contribute?

Mr Mwenda wrote:Who is the other bugger?

Another Aussie Rugby League guy whos CV includes (allegedly) being offered $1m to leave!

I think it was Ben Kay who talked about Cockerill’s great effect, but with massively diminishing returns, as the guy who gives everyone the hairdryer treatment. How that fits in with Eddie I have no idea, but perhaps it would be a great fit. Either way, a 2 year run before the World Cup might be about the limit before the novelty wears off.

I can imagine there are some pretty gruelling forwards sessions ahead. And Jngf say goodbye to any slim hopes of flowing linkplay in attack.

Somehow “who the fuck is this guy?” has become the default response regarding attack coaches.

Mikey Brown wrote:I think it was Ben Kay who talked about Cockerill’s great effect, but with massively diminishing returns, as the guy who gives everyone the hairdryer treatment. How that fits in with Eddie I have no idea, but perhaps it would be a great fit. Either way, a 2 year run before the World Cup might be about the limit before the novelty wears off.

I can imagine there are some pretty gruelling forwards sessions ahead. And Jngf say goodbye to any slim hopes of flowing linkplay in attack.

Somehow “who the fuck is this guy?” has become the default response regarding attack coaches.

Well we don't have an attack coach so we can't even ask who the random guy is.

Ben Kay has also said if you want to win next Saturday you hire Cockers. What went unsaid was that if you want to be winning in three or four years time... Cockers is well suited to international rugby as an assistant coach because he doesn't need to worry about developing or building, that's Eddie's job. Cockerill is going to be given a squad of players and a game plan and his job is just to make sure they win, that's what he's all about winning on the weekend.

I've said it for years Cockers big problem at Tigers was that he was promoted above his level. Tigers needed to hire someone with vision above Cockers and not keep trying to find and innovative attack/head coach to work underneath him. Eddie despite his faults is a man of vision, Cockers can just get on with the coaching.

Since the other bugger is an Aus league coach we may be lucky enough to get [REDACTED] back as well!

Reading between the lines, the new defence coach looks like he’s been hired not because of an impressive XV but because Eddie’s mate was out of a job.

FKAS wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:I think it was Ben Kay who talked about Cockerill’s great effect, but with massively diminishing returns, as the guy who gives everyone the hairdryer treatment. How that fits in with Eddie I have no idea, but perhaps it would be a great fit. Either way, a 2 year run before the World Cup might be about the limit before the novelty wears off.

I can imagine there are some pretty gruelling forwards sessions ahead. And Jngf say goodbye to any slim hopes of flowing linkplay in attack.

Somehow “who the fuck is this guy?” has become the default response regarding attack coaches.

Well we don't have an attack coach so we can't even ask who the random guy is.

I thought Gleason is attack coach?

Mellsblue wrote:

FKAS wrote:Well we don't have an attack coach so we can't even ask who the random guy is.

I thought Gleason is attack coach?

Oh that's SO last month!
https://www.englandrugby.com/news/artic ... tack-coach

Which Tyler wrote:

Mellsblue wrote:

FKAS wrote:Well we don't have an attack coach so we can't even ask who the random guy is.

I thought Gleason is attack coach?

Oh that's SO last month!
https://www.englandrugby.com/news/artic ... tack-coach

We change coaches so regularly I've already forgotten who we appointed

FKAS wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:

Mellsblue wrote: I thought Gleason is attack coach?

Oh that's SO last month!
https://www.englandrugby.com/news/artic ... tack-coach

We change coaches so regularly I've already forgotten who we appointed

Me too. Mind, wait a month - he'll have resigned soon enough.

Puja

Seibold has been appointed as England defence coach. He arrives from his most recent role as head coach of the Brisbane Broncos in Australia’s National Rugby League. He was head coach at South Sydney Rabbitohs, and has also coached at a number of clubs including: Manly Sea Eagles, Melbourne Storm and worked as an assistant for Queensland in the State of Origin series.

Seemingly he has no experience in Union. I'm sure he'll be a hit.

Its Cockers and Proudfoot with the forwards, Siebold runs the defence and Gleason the attack.

fivepointer wrote:Seibold has been appointed as England defence coach. He arrives from his most recent role as head coach of the Brisbane Broncos in Australia’s National Rugby League. He was head coach at South Sydney Rabbitohs, and has also coached at a number of clubs including: Manly Sea Eagles, Melbourne Storm and worked as an assistant for Queensland in the State of Origin series.

Seemingly he has no experience in Union. I'm sure he'll be a hit.

Its Cockers and Proudfoot with the forwards, Siebold runs the defence and Gleason the attack.

I think he did quite well as a coach before the Broncos but that went south quickly and he was targeted by trolls releasing false stories about his personal life. He ended up taking a cracking pay off to leave the Broncos.

FKAS wrote:

fivepointer wrote:Seibold has been appointed as England defence coach. He arrives from his most recent role as head coach of the Brisbane Broncos in Australia’s National Rugby League. He was head coach at South Sydney Rabbitohs, and has also coached at a number of clubs including: Manly Sea Eagles, Melbourne Storm and worked as an assistant for Queensland in the State of Origin series.

Seemingly he has no experience in Union. I'm sure he'll be a hit.

Its Cockers and Proudfoot with the forwards, Siebold runs the defence and Gleason the attack.

I think he did quite well as a coach before the Broncos but that went south quickly and he was targeted by trolls releasing false stories about his personal life. He ended up taking a cracking pay off to leave the Broncos.

In his defence, he was saddled with an atrocious Brisbane squad. Their recruitment and retention team probably needed to go before he did.

From the outside it does seem odd that a supposed leading national side cannot source people with experience in rugby. The proof will be in the pudding perhaps, though it might be covered off elsewhere and the players are actually quite decent, but it's an odd way to go about staffing the coaching setup

Digby wrote:From the outside it does seem odd that a supposed leading national side cannot source people with experience in rugby. The proof will be in the pudding perhaps, though it might be covered off elsewhere and the players are actually quite decent, but it's an odd way to go about staffing the coaching setup

Prem teams won't release coaches and the RFU don't want to use funds to buy out their contracts so Eddie has to be creative.

Thanks Tom for that, wasn't aware he'd been landed such an awful position at the Broncos.

Apparently there were a lot of very experienced defence coaches lining up for the England spot, so I wouldn't say it was necessarily creativity.

Raggs wrote:Apparently there were a lot of very experienced defence coaches lining up for the England spot, so I wouldn't say it was necessarily creativity.

I'd missed the rumour mill on this one. Who was available and in the mix?

I get the RFU don't want to spend money. Nonetheless there are choices in this, and the RFU the coaches and indeed players are participatory in the choice they have made.

And to refine more there is also an elite coach out of league cannot know how rugby works, whether looking at the breakdown, set piece, kicking game, transition.... and how they map out the use of resources will bleed into all those areas and impact areas beyond their more specific remits. So we can say no coach in the premier league wants to release anyone, and we can assume this is a weird world in which all such possible coaches actually are tied into long contracts that would actually cost a chunk to get them out of, there's still coaches outside the premier league one could turn to

It might work, it just seems a very weird way to go about things to get much of one's initial exposure at the highest level (or with England for those wanting to make a witty remark)

FKAS wrote:

Raggs wrote:Apparently there were a lot of very experienced defence coaches lining up for the England spot, so I wouldn't say it was necessarily creativity.

I'd missed the rumour mill on this one. Who was available and in the mix?

Don't know, but saw this:

Digby wrote:I get the RFU don't want to spend money. Nonetheless there are choices in this, and the RFU the coaches and indeed players are participatory in the choice they have made.

And to refine more there is also an elite coach out of league cannot know how rugby works, whether looking at the breakdown, set piece, kicking game, transition.... and how they map out the use of resources will bleed into all those areas and impact areas beyond their more specific remits. So we can say no coach in the premier league wants to release anyone, and we can assume this is a weird world in which all such possible coaches actually are tied into long contracts that would actually cost a chunk to get them out of, there's still coaches outside the premier league one could turn to

It might work, it just seems a very weird way to go about things to get much of one's initial exposure at the highest level (or with England for those wanting to make a witty remark)

Such a shame we couldn’t land Guardiola or Tuchel.