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All Blacks squad for game 2

1. George Bower
2. Codie Taylor
3. Ofa Tu’ungafasi
4. Brodie Retallick
5. Scott Barrett
6. Dalton Papali’i
7. Sam Cane (Captain)
8. Ardie Savea
9. Aaron Smith
10. Beauden Barrett
11. Leicester Fainga’anuku
12. Quinn Tupaea
13. Rieko Ioane
14. Sevu Reece
15. Jordie Barrett

16. Samisoni Taukei’aho
17. Aidan Ross
18. Angus Ta’avao
19. Patrick Tuipulotu
20. Pita Gus Sowakula
21. Folau Fakatava
22. Richie Mo’unga
23. Will Jordan


Ireland squad
1. Andrew Porter
2. Dan Sheehan
3. Tadhg Furlong
4. Tadhg Beirne
5. James Ryan
6. Peter O'Mahony
7. Josh van der Flier
8. Caelan Doris
9. Jamison Gibson-Park
10. Johnny Sexton (Captain)
11. James Lowe
12. Robbie Henshaw
13. Garry Ringrose
14. Mack Hansen
15. Hugo Keenan

16. Rob Herring
17. Cian Healy
18. Finlay Belham
19. Kieran Treadwell
20. Jack Conan
21. Conor Murray
22. Joey Carbery
23. Bundee Aki

whitelock injured I assume?

No way Sexton should be playing. He was ko'd near enough, with plenty of previous.

Yeah can’t believe that call. What are all these frameworks and precautions for if someone with his history can take a knock like that and then be deemed fit to do it all again a week later?

You have to assume these guys know a little more than us about the subject, but it doesn’t seem correct at all in my medical opinion.

That's a really bad decision. He has a history of concussion. If he failed an HIA, he was concussed, so that's 12 days minimum. The coaches need talking to.

Banquo wrote:whitelock injured I assume?

No way Sexton should be playing. He was ko'd near enough, with plenty of previous.

Whitelock was concussed, but the symptoms were delayed. It happens sometimes.

Sexton allegedly passed a second and third HIA. Also wondering WTF Healy is doing on the bench.

cashead wrote:

Banquo wrote:whitelock injured I assume?

No way Sexton should be playing. He was ko'd near enough, with plenty of previous.

Whitelock was concussed, but the symptoms were delayed. It happens sometimes.

Sexton allegedly passed a second and third HIA. Also wondering WTF Healy is doing on the bench.

was he concussed? The replacement hooker was reeling and played on for 5.

Banquo wrote:

cashead wrote:

Banquo wrote:whitelock injured I assume?

No way Sexton should be playing. He was ko'd near enough, with plenty of previous.

Whitelock was concussed, but the symptoms were delayed. It happens sometimes.

Sexton allegedly passed a second and third HIA. Also wondering WTF Healy is doing on the bench.

was he concussed? The replacement hooker was reeling and played on for 5.

Whitelock or Sexton?

Whitelock experienced delayed onset concussion where he didn't experience any symptoms until well afterwards.

With Sexton, who knows? The entire thing has stunk to high heaven and he probably shouldn't be playing, but he's allegedly passed his HIAs.

cashead wrote:

Banquo wrote:

cashead wrote: Whitelock was concussed, but the symptoms were delayed. It happens sometimes.

Sexton allegedly passed a second and third HIA. Also wondering WTF Healy is doing on the bench.

was he concussed? The replacement hooker was reeling and played on for 5.

Whitelock or Sexton?

Whitelock experienced delayed onset concussion where he didn't experience any symptoms until well afterwards.

With Sexton, who knows? The entire thing has stunk to high heaven and he probably shouldn't be playing, but he's allegedly passed his HIAs.

no, Healy soz

....or are you saying he should be starting? crossed wires methinks

Banquo wrote:

cashead wrote:

Banquo wrote: was he concussed? The replacement hooker was reeling and played on for 5.

Whitelock or Sexton?

Whitelock experienced delayed onset concussion where he didn't experience any symptoms until well afterwards.

With Sexton, who knows? The entire thing has stunk to high heaven and he probably shouldn't be playing, but he's allegedly passed his HIAs.

no, Healy soz

....or are you saying he should be starting? crossed wires methinks

It's fairly likely Healy's well below 100%, after a pretty horrible injury against the Maori All Blacks. It was quite telling that despite the Irish scrum coming second best, he wasn't brought on to shore things up or add some impact around the field. Dude's got almost 120 test caps. You'd think he'd be handy when the game was in the state it was in at the start of the second half last weekend.

Shit, I wouldn't be greatly surprised if Healy ends up being an unused reserve again. It also kind of makes me wonder what's happening with the loosehead depth in Ireland.

cashead wrote:

Banquo wrote:

cashead wrote: Whitelock or Sexton?

Whitelock experienced delayed onset concussion where he didn't experience any symptoms until well afterwards.

With Sexton, who knows? The entire thing has stunk to high heaven and he probably shouldn't be playing, but he's allegedly passed his HIAs.

no, Healy soz

....or are you saying he should be starting? crossed wires methinks

It's fairly likely Healy's well below 100%, after a pretty horrible injury against the Maori All Blacks. It was quite telling that despite the Irish scrum coming second best, he wasn't brought on to shore things up or add some impact around the field. Dude's got almost 120 test caps. You'd think he'd be handy when the game was in the state it was in at the start of the second half last weekend.

Shit, I wouldn't be greatly surprised if Healy ends up being an unused reserve again. It also kind of makes me wonder what's happening with the loosehead depth in Ireland.

got you, cheers

I know it hasn't always historically worked but I think this triple 7 backrow of NZ will be fun. Saves clearly has what it takes to play 8, I think Papali’i has all the tools for 6 and Cane is Cane.

For a fast game I think they will be great. If it slows down, they are giving away a fair big in terms of weight and tight carrying. The next game or two will really determine whether it's an option going forward or whether Papali’i is destined to be back up for Cane until after the World Cup.

https://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2022/070 ... xton-case/

Seems crazy with his history, he seems fine with it though, when you hear what steve thompson and hayman are going through surely nobody would take a risk unless they were 100% comfortable, who wants to be heading for dignitas when you're 45 like

Hopefully a good even contest tomorrow morning, and sexton not wobbling off the pitch

An exhibition in how not to take advantage of numbers

Was a penalty try

Brutal from Ireland from their on

paddy no 11 wrote:Was a penalty try

Tu'ungafasi's card, you mean?

Why did they take Savea off and leave Cane on?

Can’t really sub your captain off for a sim bin can you? Would have been really funny given it ended up being permanent though.

Foster out

Mikey Brown wrote:Can’t really sub your captain off for a sim bin can you? Would have been really funny given it ended up being permanent though.

Why not - or sub the 6. Cock up surely.

The 6 was already off, I think they thought they’d be able to bring either back on.

They seem to value Cane in a way that’s hard to see why in comparison to Savea.

Mikey Brown wrote:The 6 was already off, I think they thought they’d be able to bring either back on.

They seem to value Cane in a way that’s hard to see why in comparison to Savea.

Ah ok, well my original comment stands then.

Good win by Ireland, especially given the first half having a stonewall NZ red downgraded to a yellow, a stonewall penalty try downgraded to a yellow, an England-like inability to score against 13, and then NZ fluking a try on the verge of halftime having not been in the half at all. Previous Irish teams would've folded after that list of disappointments, but this lot stuck at it and worked for the result.

Puja

Puja wrote:Good win by Ireland, especially given the first half having a stonewall NZ red downgraded to a yellow, a stonewall penalty try downgraded to a yellow, an England-like inability to score against 13, and then NZ fluking a try on the verge of halftime having not been in the half at all. Previous Irish teams would've folded after that list of disappointments, but this lot stuck at it and worked for the result.

Puja

Very well played Ireland. I think them and France play the best rugby in the world at the moment. Still make NZ favourites at home next week though.

Surprised you viewed that first yellow as a stonewall red. It was a genuine attempt at a charge down I felt. A little reckless but not the worst. He also put an arm into Hansen's chest to brave.

Probs was a penalty try though I'm not sure Sexton hadn't pulled back on the pass anyway. If he had popped it to no one I think it would have been given.

Unfortunately we'll now have to sit through sleepy old Foster selecting the same-old-same-old for the third test tO rEdEeM tHeMsElVeS and/or FoR tHeIr eXpErIeNce. Taukei'aho carried for more metres in one carry than ponderous old Taylor did in the entire match? Sorry mate, didn't see it. The first half dragged on for so long I was already in bed with my warm milk before the halftime break was through.

Taylor and Ofa need to be taken out behind the shed. At least with Ta'avao's injury we should be able to get one of the younger, more dynamic, props in there where they should've been to begin with.

Cameo wrote:

Puja wrote:Good win by Ireland, especially given the first half having a stonewall NZ red downgraded to a yellow, a stonewall penalty try downgraded to a yellow, an England-like inability to score against 13, and then NZ fluking a try on the verge of halftime having not been in the half at all. Previous Irish teams would've folded after that list of disappointments, but this lot stuck at it and worked for the result.

Puja

Very well played Ireland. I think them and France play the best rugby in the world at the moment. Still make NZ favourites at home next week though.

Surprised you viewed that first yellow as a stonewall red. It was a genuine attempt at a charge down I felt. A little reckless but not the worst. He also put an arm into Hansen's chest to brave.

Probs was a penalty try though I'm not sure Sexton hadn't pulled back on the pass anyway. If he had popped it to no one I think it would have been given.

It was the fact that he launched himself from so far away - Hansen was about 6-7m away at the time he threw himself into the air - it wasn't a likely chargedown to me, it was throwing himself desperately into Hansen's path and hoping. Was reckless and I don't see the arm touching the chest a millisecond before the tucked shoulder planted into the nose as being realistic mitigation.

Also, Hansen should've gone off for an HIA and it's a disgrace to the sport that he didn't.

Puja