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I suspect 73% [EQP, as Bath have] will be pretty high.

Senior Players:
Hooker: Clare, Cowan-Dickie, Dolly, Montoya
Props: Cole, Cronin, Heyes, Hurd, Leatigaga, Richardson, Van Wyk, Whitcombe,
Locks: O.Chessum, Green, Henderson, Martin, Snyman, Wells,
Back Row: Cracknell, Liebenberg, Jansen, Reffell, Wiese
Scrum Half: Simmons, van Poortvliet, Wigglesworth, Youngs
Fly Half: Burns, Pollard
Centre: Cokanasiga, Gopperth, Kelly, Porter, Scott,
Winger: Ashton, Nadolo,, Potter, Saumaki, Watson
Full Back: Hegarty, Murimurivalu, Steward,

Squad of 42 confirmed currently.

26 EQ - 62%
1 Irish
1 Welsh
2 Kiwi
2 Fijian
1 Aussie
1 Tongan
1 Samoan
1 Argentinian
5 Boks

Squad list is nicked from the offy. Might be a few more EQ youngsters pushing their way in like Ilione and Vanes maybe Browning.

FKAS wrote:I suspect 73% will be pretty high.

Senior Players:
Hooker: Clare, Cowan-Dickie, Dolly, Montoya
Props: Cole, Cronin, Heyes, Hurd, Leatigaga, Richardson, Van Wyk, Whitcombe,
Locks: O.Chessum, Green, Henderson, Martin, Snyman, Wells,
Back Row: Cracknell, Liebenberg, Jansen, Reffell, Wiese
Scrum Half: Simmons, van Poortvliet, Wigglesworth, Youngs
Fly Half: Burns, Pollard
Centre: Cokanasiga, Gopperth, Kelly, Porter, Scott,
Winger: Ashton, Nadolo,, Potter, Saumaki, Watson
Full Back: Hegarty, Murimurivalu, Steward,

Squad of 42 confirmed currently.

26 EQ - 62%
1 Irish
1 Welsh
2 Kiwi
2 Fijian
1 Aussie
1 Tongan
1 Samoan
1 Argentinian
5 Boks

Squad list is nicked from the offy. Might be a few more EQ youngsters pushing their way in like Ilione and Vanes maybe Browning.

Are you counting Henderson as English as opposed to Scots? I wouldn't be opposed if he chose to stay that way, but I don't think that's an EQ player who will remain that way for long if he gets to where he was going pre-injury. Also your list of nationalities is missing out Scott's Scottishness and Snyman's Zimbabweanness.

I suspect that 62% is an increase from last year, despite replacing Ford and Genge with foreigners. Hopefully now that our academy is a functioning unit again, we'll get more from the same place we got Steward, Martin, JVP et al and we'll see a few of the overseas squad depth people like Snyman replaced by EQ.

Puja

Confirmed Quins senior squad is:

1. Marler / Garcia-Botta / Els
2. Walker / Musk / Riley
3. Collier / Louw / Kerrod
4. Lamb / Hammond
5. Lewies / Herbst
6. Lawday / J. Chisholm / Jurevicius
7. Evans / Kenningham / Wallace
8. Dombrandt / White / Taulani
9. Care / Steele / Gjaltema / Stafford
10. Smith / Allan / Edwards
11. Murley / Morris
12. Esterhuizen
13. Marchant / Northmore
14. Lynagh
15. Green / David / R. Chisholm

That’s 27 EQ out of 38 (71%). I think Els may also qualify on residency now which would push it up a bit more.

I deliberately didn’t include players in the senior academy, but I think we’ll definitely see Anyanwu, Baxter, Beard, Cleaves and possibly Head (all English) playing Premiership rugby this season.

Scrumhead wrote:Confirmed Quins senior squad is:

1. Marler / Garcia-Botta / Els
2. Walker / Musk / Riley
3. Collier / Louw / Kerrod
4. Lamb / Hammond
5. Lewies / Herbst
6. Lawday / J. Chisholm / Jurevicius
7. Evans / Kenningham / Wallace
8. Dombrandt / White / Taulani
9. Care / Steele / Gjaltema / Stafford
10. Smith / Allan / Edwards
11. Murley / Morris
12. Esterhuizen
13. Marchant / Northmore
14. Lynagh
15. Green / David / R. Chisholm

That’s 27 EQ out of 38 (71%). I think Els may also qualify on residency now which would push it up a bit more.

I deliberately didn’t include players in the senior academy, but I think we’ll definitely see Anyanwu, Baxter, Beard, Cleaves and possibly Head (all English) playing Premiership rugby this season.

Quins are the model for everyone to look at in terms of using their academy well.

Still looks a touch weak around lock - is Lamb really your starting 4 for next season or is there another signing expected?

Puja

As ever, I've done this in my predicted pecking order, though some are pretty close, and new coach may well disagree with me.
Charlie Ewels is long term injured or course, and we expect an injury joker to come in. Asterisks are players I expect to lose for internationals (with a bit of luck, this is the last year I include one for Ewels - his injury gives the likes of Isiekwe and Chessum a good chance to push him out of squads)

45 players, 33 English born or capped (with 1 of them since choosing Scotland)
2 full Scots (so 3 with Bayliss)
1 EQP Irishman
1 EQP Saffer
7 other Saffers
1 Namibian

18 (I think) from Bath's academy (2 of them brought into the academy rather than fully home grown).
Academy has a 7th backrower, but not much point including 3rd choice academy players.
On which, I'm still surprised Ewan Richards is still classified as an academy player. With 18 appearances last year, I'd have had his as a senior.

Puja wrote:

Scrumhead wrote:Confirmed Quins senior squad is:

1. Marler / Garcia-Botta / Els
2. Walker / Musk / Riley
3. Collier / Louw / Kerrod
4. Lamb / Hammond
5. Lewies / Herbst
6. Lawday / J. Chisholm / Jurevicius
7. Evans / Kenningham / Wallace
8. Dombrandt / White / Taulani
9. Care / Steele / Gjaltema / Stafford
10. Smith / Allan / Edwards
11. Murley / Morris
12. Esterhuizen
13. Marchant / Northmore
14. Lynagh
15. Green / David / R. Chisholm

That’s 27 EQ out of 38 (71%). I think Els may also qualify on residency now which would push it up a bit more.

I deliberately didn’t include players in the senior academy, but I think we’ll definitely see Anyanwu, Baxter, Beard, Cleaves and possibly Head (all English) playing Premiership rugby this season.

Quins are the model for everyone to look at in terms of using their academy well.

Still looks a touch weak around lock - is Lamb really your starting 4 for next season or is there another signing expected?

Puja

We are definitely light at lock. We lost Symons, Tizard (both huge losses IMO) and Scotland-Williamson (no loss at all in the end) and only brought in Herbst.

I think the coaching team feel that Jurevicius can deputise if needed. I’m not totally against that as I think he’s a very promising player. However, I think he’s a 6 all day long.

I wouldn’t have picked out Lamb as a weak link. He was great for us before he got injured so assuming he’s fit, I’m perfectly happy with him starting.

There was some interesting comments from Tabai Matson a couple of weeks back where he basically said expectations for the season are lower given the amount of players we’re likely to lose in the test windows: https://www.rugbypass.com/news/truncate ... emiership/

I think we may use this season to bring through more of our academy players. Alongside the ones I mentioned earlier, I can definitely see game time for Cleaves, Hyde, Benson, Bradley, Slevin and Oresanya.

I believe Care and Marler are out of contract at the end of the season so it may be that we’re treading water on signings now knowing that we’ve got some big changes coming fairly soon.

Puja wrote:

FKAS wrote:I suspect 73% will be pretty high.

Senior Players:
Hooker: Clare, Cowan-Dickie, Dolly, Montoya
Props: Cole, Cronin, Heyes, Hurd, Leatigaga, Richardson, Van Wyk, Whitcombe,
Locks: O.Chessum, Green, Henderson, Martin, Snyman, Wells,
Back Row: Cracknell, Liebenberg, Jansen, Reffell, Wiese
Scrum Half: Simmons, van Poortvliet, Wigglesworth, Youngs
Fly Half: Burns, Pollard
Centre: Cokanasiga, Gopperth, Kelly, Porter, Scott,
Winger: Ashton, Nadolo,, Potter, Saumaki, Watson
Full Back: Hegarty, Murimurivalu, Steward,

Squad of 42 confirmed currently.

26 EQ - 62%
1 Irish
1 Welsh
2 Kiwi
2 Fijian
1 Aussie
1 Tongan
1 Samoan
1 Argentinian
5 Boks

Squad list is nicked from the offy. Might be a few more EQ youngsters pushing their way in like Ilione and Vanes maybe Browning.

Are you counting Henderson as English as opposed to Scots? I wouldn't be opposed if he chose to stay that way, but I don't think that's an EQ player who will remain that way for long if he gets to where he was going pre-injury. Also your list of nationalities is missing out Scott's Scottishness and Snyman's Zimbabweanness.

I suspect that 62% is an increase from last year, despite replacing Ford and Genge with foreigners. Hopefully now that our academy is a functioning unit again, we'll get more from the same place we got Steward, Martin, JVP et al and we'll see a few of the overseas squad depth people like Snyman replaced by EQ.

Puja

Snyman got lumped with the Saffas because I forgot he was Zimbabwean, he did play Boks under 20s. Yes I did miss Scott off.

We are somewhat playing catch up because before Murphy decided we needed a development pathway we were not using our academy anywhere near as well as we should. The rebuild under Taylor for the academy should not be understated.

There's quite a significant 'senior academy'/development/B side or whatever it's called these days with;

Hooker: Vanes, Smith
Props: Hoyt, Crane, Williams
Locks: Carnduff, Carmichael, L.Chessum, Manz,
Back Row: Ilione, Koroiyadi, J.Manz, Owen,
Scrum Half: Edwards
Fly Half: Walsh, Meredith
Centre: Cusick, Loose, Woodward
Wings: Browning,
Full Back: Daniels

Only Williams the prop is not obviously EQ there. He's Welsh but might still be EQ. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ilione breakthrough this season and Vanes has a good chance. Interesting that Seb Smith has converted from prop the hooker, that's going to be a big hooker.

FKAS wrote:We are somewhat playing catch up because before Murphy decided we needed a development pathway we were not using our academy anywhere near as well as we should. The rebuild under Taylor for the academy should not be understated.

There's quite a significant 'senior academy'/development/B side or whatever it's called these days with;

Hooker: Vanes, Smith
Props: Hoyt, Crane, Williams
Locks: Carnduff, Carmichael, L.Chessum, Manz,
Back Row: Ilione, Koroiyadi, J.Manz, Owen,
Scrum Half: Edwards
Fly Half: Walsh, Meredith
Centre: Cusick, Loose, Woodward
Wings: Browning,
Full Back: Daniels

Only Williams the prop is not obviously EQ there. He's Welsh but might still be EQ. I wouldn't be surprised to see Ilione breakthrough this season and Vanes has a good chance. Interesting that Seb Smith has converted from prop the hooker, that's going to be a big hooker.

Preaching to the choir there - on some of the older iterations of the board, a good quarter of my posts were bemoaning the fact that we were letting our academy lapse and how it would get us in trouble. Can't exactly call myself Cassandra for having seen such an obvious consequence and, while Murphy was never a head coach, he does deserve praise for his part in our change of tack.

It's a good looking (and sizeable) Senior Academy this year. Like you, I expect to see a lot more of Ilione and, depending on injuries and call-ups, probably some chunks of Edwards, Vanes, LChessum, and maybe Browning. I've heard so many good things about Koroiyadi as well, although this coming season's probably a touch early for him.

Puja

I forgot to do the nationality breakdown for Quins.

Of the 36 in our first team squad we have:

23 English. I haven’t included Jurevicius or Lynagh who were both born overseas. However, both have spent the majority of their lives in England and are most definitely EQ.

1 EQ Aussie/Italian (Lynagh)
1 EQ Lithuanian (Juerivicus)
1 EQ South African (Kerrod)*
1 EQ Kiwi (Gjaltema)

*Els might also be EQ now

6 South Africans (Esterhuizen, Green, Lewies, Louw, Herbst, Els*)
1 Italian (Allan)
1 Argentinian (Garcia-Botta)
1 Tongan (Taulani)
1 Scotsman (Steele)
1 Irishman (Stafford)

Scrumhead wrote:

Puja wrote:

Scrumhead wrote:Confirmed Quins senior squad is:

1. Marler / Garcia-Botta / Els
2. Walker / Musk / Riley
3. Collier / Louw / Kerrod
4. Lamb / Hammond
5. Lewies / Herbst
6. Lawday / J. Chisholm / Jurevicius
7. Evans / Kenningham / Wallace
8. Dombrandt / White / Taulani
9. Care / Steele / Gjaltema / Stafford
10. Smith / Allan / Edwards
11. Murley / Morris
12. Esterhuizen
13. Marchant / Northmore
14. Lynagh
15. Green / David / R. Chisholm

That’s 27 EQ out of 38 (71%). I think Els may also qualify on residency now which would push it up a bit more.

I deliberately didn’t include players in the senior academy, but I think we’ll definitely see Anyanwu, Baxter, Beard, Cleaves and possibly Head (all English) playing Premiership rugby this season.

Quins are the model for everyone to look at in terms of using their academy well.

Still looks a touch weak around lock - is Lamb really your starting 4 for next season or is there another signing expected?

Puja

We are definitely light at lock. We lost Symons, Tizard (both huge losses IMO) and Scotland-Williamson (no loss at all in the end) and only brought in Herbst.

I think the coaching team feel that Jurevicius can deputise if needed. I’m not totally against that as I think he’s a very promising player. However, I think he’s a 6 all day long.

I wouldn’t have picked out Lamb as a weak link. He was great for us before he got injured so assuming he’s fit, I’m perfectly happy with him starting.

There was some interesting comments from Tabai Matson a couple of weeks back where he basically said expectations for the season are lower given the amount of players we’re likely to lose in the test windows: https://www.rugbypass.com/news/truncate ... emiership/

I think we may use this season to bring through more of our academy players. Alongside the ones I mentioned earlier, I can definitely see game time for Cleaves, Hyde, Benson, Bradley, Slevin and Oresanya.

I believe Care and Marler are out of contract at the end of the season so it may be that we’re treading water on signings now knowing that we’ve got some big changes coming fairly soon.

Thanks for doing the full list.

Agree on Tizard, Symons and Lamb. He totally transformed as a player in the previous season and then injury set him back. I hope he, Kenningham and Evans getting back to where they were could add a considerable amount to the pack. Is Lewies ever going to be more consistently fit?

Thought Beard and Anyanwu would be in the senior squad by now to be honest. Really hope we give Anayanwy some time before our hand is forced with Esterhuizen potentially being away.

Is Gjaltema going to get some more meaningful minutes? Care has been red hot in many ways but is still a bit of a flake let’s be honest and 36 next season.

Scrumhead wrote:I forgot to do the nationality breakdown for Quins.

Of the 36 in our first team squad we have:

You only have a senior squad of 36?
Are you sure that's Quins not Sale?

With the ever increasing rates of attrition, is that really going to be enough?

Which Tyler wrote:

Scrumhead wrote:I forgot to do the nationality breakdown for Quins.

Of the 36 in our first team squad we have:

You only have a senior squad of 36?
Are you sure that's Quins not Sale?

With the ever increasing rates of attrition, is that really going to be enough?

Only three hookers is running very light in that department. Quins have released a lot of players this off season and signed very little so either they've got a bit of spare cap to pick up one or two more as they want or they were struggling to cut down to the lowered salary cap with new long term deals for Dombrandt and Northmore on significant uplifts as well.

FKAS wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:

Scrumhead wrote:I forgot to do the nationality breakdown for Quins.

Of the 36 in our first team squad we have:

You only have a senior squad of 36?
Are you sure that's Quins not Sale?

With the ever increasing rates of attrition, is that really going to be enough?

Only three hookers is running very light in that department. Quins have released a lot of players this off season and signed very little so either they've got a bit of spare cap to pick up one or two more as they want or they were struggling to cut down to the lowered salary cap with new long term deals for Dombrandt and Northmore on significant uplifts as well.

Especially when two of them are fresh out of the academy. I was about to say I was surprised that they let Joe Gray go, but a quick google revealed that a) he has retired and gone to coach LScottish (and good for him) and b) his wikipedia page has this excellent factoid:

"He is the only player in history to have won every trophy available to players in the top two tiers of English rugby, including both European trophies."

That is both an excellent fact and also blatantly put in by the player himself cause absolutely nobody else would've been recording that kind of statistic. Still, good for him!

Puja

It’s an amazing trivia question for sure.

36 is very low. However, there are a good 8 or so in the Senior Academy that have already played first team rugby, so in reality the player pool we’ll be drawing from is over 40.

It’s a risky strategy, but based upon Matson’s comments, I think our priorities are a little different this season.

It's not like decent hookers are tough to find in the Championship either. Kyle Cooper is out of contract as well and is still a solid set piece hooker despite being shoved into playing prop. There's a few other released hookers from Prem clubs kicking about. Wouldn't surprise me if Quins add a squad man in that area particularly with Walker in and around the England squad over the summer.

Joe Gray did end up in the squad for some good teams. His medal haul is very impressive.

Bristol squad.
Hooker: Byrne, Capon, Davies, Kerr, Thacker
Props: Armstrong, J Benz-Salomon, T Benz-Salomon, Charalambous, Genge, Kloska, Lahiff, Mulhall, Sinckler, Thomas, Woolmore,
Locks: Eames, Hawkins, Holmes, Joyce, Vui,
Back row: Bradbury, Heenan, Harding, Jeff Reece, Luatua, Thomas
9s: Lennon, Randall, Uren, Whiteley
10: MacGinty, Sheedy, Wilstead, Williams
Centres: Ascherl, Bedlow, Lloyd, O'Conor, Radradra
Wing: Bates, Fricker, Ibitoye, Morahan, Naulago, Purdy
15: Lane, Piutau

Squad: 49
Eqp: 36 (73%)
Wales 5
Scot 2
Ire 1
Sam 1
NZ 1
Aus 1
Fiji 1
Tonga 1
USA 1

Light at lock, but gives Rice a chance to step up and few of the back rows can cover as well. Same at full back, but a few wings can cover and should give Bailey a chance to get some first team games.

Senior Academy:
Hooker: Thompson
Props: Sims, Halliwell, Turner
Lock: Owen, Rice, Taylor
Back row: Tull, Harvey, Duncan
9: Carter
10: J Lloyd, Worsley
Centre: Power, Rowson, Jenkins
Wing: Jones, Bailey
15: Hamid

EQP = 95%
Wales - 1

Glos:-

Senior Squad

Hookers:- Singleton, Socino, Walker
Props:- Balmain, Elrington, Ford-Robinson, Gotovtsev, Knight, Rapava-Ruskin, Seville
Locks:- Alemmano, Clarke, Craig, Davidson
Back Row, Ludlow, Reid, Ackermann, Morgan, Polledri, Tuisue
SH:- Chapman, Meehan
FH:- Hastings, Evans
Centre:- 36, Atkinson, Harris, Seabrook, Kveseladze
Wing:- May, Thorley, LRZ
FB:- Carrera, Moyle

21/34 EQP = 62%

21 EQP
3 Argentina
1 Russian
2 Georgian
3 Scotland
1 Wales
1 Italy
1 Australia
1 Fiji

Elite Academy Squad

Clement (BR) (EQP)
Varney (9) (Italy)
Barton (10) (EQP)

Academy:-

25 players, 23 of which are EQP, one Irish, one Welsh

Lacking Locks - especially following the sad news regarding Ed Slater. We have used a fair few of our academy players throughout the last 2 seasons, some great talent there. I have Listed Polledri, but no statement yet whether he is in or out by the club. He is pre-season training however.

Yeah 4 locks and 4 number 8s doesn’t seem correct does it.

Mikey Brown wrote:Yeah 4 locks and 4 number 8s doesn’t seem correct does it.

Tuisui is a very capable lock - I had assumed that they'd signed him to play there rather than back row.

Puja

Puja wrote:

Mikey Brown wrote:Yeah 4 locks and 4 number 8s doesn’t seem correct does it.

Tuisui is a very capable lock - I had assumed that they'd signed him to play there rather than back row.

Puja

True - he has been signed as a hybrid. Just listed as back row on the site currently.

Really? Hard to picture him in any role other than route 1 primary carrier, especially jumping, but fair enough.

Mikey Brown wrote:Really? Hard to picture him in any role other than route 1 primary carrier, especially jumping, but fair enough.

Big lump to lock out the scrum behind the tighthead though. I think you're right about the lineout jumping but if he's paired with Alemmano and a couple of backrows who are lineout savvy it could work.

Mikey Brown wrote:Really? Hard to picture him in any role other than route 1 primary carrier, especially jumping, but fair enough.

Very much a Samu Manoa type lock - still there to bash people about the park and mostly lift, rather than jump, in the lineout, just putting some weight behind the tighthead instead of on the flank.

Puja