RugbyRebels

I saw the names and got worried about Tonga. Then I saw their warm up results and relaxed. Now I'm worried again.

Yes, I've been expecting a lot from all the Pacific Islands. Disappointed for Fiji, and Tonga could decide our group. Unlucky that one try they conceded had a forward pass and another had obstruction at the line-out. Surprised the TMO missed both (or do I need to open my other eye?).

Ah, I think we'll beat Tonga though could do with a good start. However we could really do with Ireland beating SA now (or Ireland thrashing SA). Would hate to go into our final game needing a bonus point.

Cameo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:17 am Ah, I think we'll beat Tonga though could do with a good start. However we could really do with Ireland beating SA now (or Ireland thrashing SA). Would hate to go into our final game needing a bonus point.

I haven’t really done the maths. Wouldn’t we want SA to win? Surely topping the group is out of reach after no LBP against SA?

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:23 am

Cameo wrote: ↑Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:17 am Ah, I think we'll beat Tonga though could do with a good start. However we could really do with Ireland beating SA now (or Ireland thrashing SA). Would hate to go into our final game needing a bonus point.

I haven’t really done the maths. Wouldn’t we want SA to win? Surely topping the group is out of reach after no LBP against SA?

Sorry, was a typo. Yes, want SA to beat Ireland so if we beat Ireland we have won all but one whereas they will have lost two.

So Eng stumble their way to a 2nd win.

Fiji beat a fairly lacklustre Aus.

All other results pretty much as expected.

Boks going for a 7/1 bench split against Ireland. Think Ireland know what's coming.

South Africa beat Ireland, Scotland beat Ireland, au revoir Ireland. Possible? Of course!

I don't want to get ahead of ourselves, but to give ourselves a chance, the only scenario we don't want is to need a BP win.

francoisfou wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:53 am South Africa beat Ireland, Scotland beat Ireland, au revoir Ireland. Possible? Of course!

Or Ireland beat South Africa with a bonus point, you beat everyone else with a bonus point, you and Ireland go through with 15 points and South Africa go home with 14. Simple.

Puja

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Puja wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:26 am

francoisfou wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:53 am South Africa beat Ireland, Scotland beat Ireland, au revoir Ireland. Possible? Of course!

Or Ireland beat South Africa with a bonus point, you beat everyone else with a bonus point, you and Ireland go through with 15 points and South Africa go home with 14. Simple.

Puja

Why do Ireland need to get a bonus point. We can go through on 15 and let Ireland and South Africa fight it out for second on 14. Then we only have the All Blacks in the quarters and our run to the final is clear.

Cameo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:06 pm [marq=]

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:26 am

francoisfou wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 7:53 am South Africa beat Ireland, Scotland beat Ireland, au revoir Ireland. Possible? Of course!

Or Ireland beat South Africa with a bonus point, you beat everyone else with a bonus point, you and Ireland go through with 15 points and South Africa go home with 14. Simple.

Puja

Why do Ireland need to get a bonus point. We can go through on 15 and let Ireland and South Africa fight it out for second on 14. Then we only have the All Blacks in the quarters and our run to the final is clear.

Good point; hadn't considered that. Probably best; you do want to avoid the French if possible. And why settle for New Zealand in the quarters, when Italy are only one victory away?

Piuja

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:54 pm

Cameo wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 8:06 pm [marq=]

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Sep 20, 2023 11:26 am

Or Ireland beat South Africa with a bonus point, you beat everyone else with a bonus point, you and Ireland go through with 15 points and South Africa go home with 14. Simple.

Puja

Why do Ireland need to get a bonus point. We can go through on 15 and let Ireland and South Africa fight it out for second on 14. Then we only have the All Blacks in the quarters and our run to the final is clear.

Good point; hadn't considered that. Probably best; you do want to avoid the French if possible. And why settle for New Zealand in the quarters, when Italy are only one victory away?

Piuja

Because we’re Scotland. We’d do all that then lose to Italy.

Could somebody tell me what we want here, please? In a bar in DC drinking with some of the Old Glory boys!

If Ireland win but SA get a BP, it’s basically curtains for us unless we beat Ireland and score 4 tries, right?

We have to beat Ireland with a BP now?

Well, if we weren't fwcked before, we are now

We have to get BP wins over Tonga and Romania. Then beat Ireland and deny them any BP. We don’t need to get one. We’d both be on 14 points and the deciding factor is the head to head result so we’d go through.

We have to beat Ireland and deny them a losing bonus point. We would levevel on points and then it would be decided on the head to head. I think we all knew this would be a possibility. It was always going to be tough and that's why losing the first game without a bonus point was always going to be tough. It's the harshness of the draw but it is what it is. I don't have a lot of faith but our boys needs to prove me wrong. I will be supporting them no matter what. Boks paying the price for not having a decent kicker? A wake up call for them?

I'd say paying the price for continuing to kick at goal without a decent kicker. You're right though, I suspect Pollard will come back in now. Generally, I thought they looked good though.

We are a bit screwed. It's hard to see us beating Ireland either with a bonus point or while denying them one.

In a way, as long as we get bonus points (no guarantee tomorrow), then points difference doesn't matter any more (unless SA don't get a bonus point v Tonga I think).

It is pretty weird that, having played one game, we know exactly what we need to qualify.

Sorry if that's disrespectful to Tonga, but I don't see them beating SA.

It's why it felt like we were virtually out after the first game - that was always going to be the case, but even beating Ireland didn't guarantee us a quarter final place. It couldn't be more difficult. Like I said it is what it is and we need to show what we are capable of. This is our moment otherwise it's what was expected. We need to give ourselves that opportunity against Ireland and that starts tomorrow. Anything less and we're fucked and don't deserve it anyway.

Cameo wrote: ↑Sat Sep 23, 2023 10:30 pm I'd say paying the price for continuing to kick at goal without a decent kicker. You're right though, I suspect Pollard will come back in now. Generally, I thought they looked good though.

We are a bit screwed. It's hard to see us beating Ireland either with a bonus point or while denying them one.

In a way, as long as we get bonus points (no guarantee tomorrow), then points difference doesn't matter any more (unless SA don't get a bonus point v Tonga I think).

I think SA will bring Pollard in and do well the rest of the RWC.

I think we just get our head down and be professional against Tonga and Romania and then put in a performance v Ireland to be proud of and what will be will be.

Permutations here.