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Why must they mess with the character so? Hope they retain common sense.

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Just because she's said she'd take the role, doesn't mean she's been offered it.

Tom Hiddlestone (35), Michael Fassbender (39), Tom Hardy (38) are all viable candidates.
Idris Elba (44) would have been great, but he needed it when Craig (36 when cast) got the job; no point saying that Craig is too old; so we'll give it to someone 4 years younger to take the franchise on for another 12 years. If they want to shake things up, then Chiwetel Ejiofor (38) would be a far better bet. Gillian Anderson is the wrong gender wrong nationality and wrong age (47).

I see no particular reason why Bond can't be black; but he does need to be male, and he does need to be British. The only way they could get around that is by formalising the idea that the Bond name is a code name passed on to successors - which means redacting the start of Casino Royale, where he's called James Bond without 00 status and without a licence to kill.

Which Tyler wrote:Just because she's said she'd take the role, doesn't mean she's been offered it.

Tom Hiddlestone (35), Michael Fassbender (39), Tom Hardy (38) are all viable candidates.
Idris Elba (44) would have been great, but he needed it when Craig (36 when cast) got the job; no point saying that Craig is too old; so we'll give it to someone 4 years younger to take the franchise on for another 12 years. If they want to shake things up, then Chiwetel Ejiofor (38) would be a far better bet. Gillian Anderson is the wrong gender wrong nationality and wrong age (47).

I see no particular reason why Bond can't be black; but he does need to be male, and he does need to be British. The only way they could get around that is by formalising the idea that the Bond name is a code name passed on to successors - which means redacting the start of Casino Royale, where he's called James Bond without 00 status and without a licence to kill.

Good point there. I always argues against Elba, because I don't think it's a role that would work with him, but Ejiofor feels more like a Bond to me.

However, I definitely feel Fassbender is the best choice (other than Cavell, but he's Superman...). He may not like being tied into the franchise, though.

Not sure franchises bother any of them; I discounted Cavill because he's in 2 (Superman and Man from UNCLE).
Let's face it, Hiddlestone is Marvel's go-to villain; Fassbender is X-Men's go-to villain; whilst Hardy is Mad Max (assuming they want to make more of those).
Personally I'd be delighted with any of my 4 suggestions; what gives me cause for doubt is that we keep hearing names of actors who are the right age now; but would only really get 1 film before being too old (Anderson, Lewis, Elba). You really need a Bond who can go for 10-15 years; and 50 is pushing it age-wise; so you need to look at actors in the 35-40 range; IMO it's as simple as that.

Which Tyler wrote:Just because she's said she'd take the role, doesn't mean she's been offered it.

Tom Hiddlestone (35), Michael Fassbender (39), Tom Hardy (38) are all viable candidates.
Idris Elba (44) would have been great, but he needed it when Craig (36 when cast) got the job; no point saying that Craig is too old; so we'll give it to someone 4 years younger to take the franchise on for another 12 years. If they want to shake things up, then Chiwetel Ejiofor (38) would be a far better bet. Gillian Anderson is the wrong gender wrong nationality and wrong age (47).

I see no particular reason why Bond can't be black; but he does need to be male, and he does need to be British. The only way they could get around that is by formalising the idea that the Bond name is a code name passed on to successors - which means redacting the start of Casino Royale, where he's called James Bond without 00 status and without a licence to kill.

Has Elba ever been in anything where he exudes class? I would genuinely be keen to see it because all I've seen is Luther which I watched recently because it's what everyone talks about and my opinion is he sounds like a slightly retarded Norf Londoner, and about as Bond like as Danny Dyer.

I think Fassbender would be very good, not sure on Hiddleston he is a bit pretty and frail. Ejiofor is a good shout as well, I've liked him in the stuff I've seen.

jared_7 wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:Just because she's said she'd take the role, doesn't mean she's been offered it.

Tom Hiddlestone (35), Michael Fassbender (39), Tom Hardy (38) are all viable candidates.
Idris Elba (44) would have been great, but he needed it when Craig (36 when cast) got the job; no point saying that Craig is too old; so we'll give it to someone 4 years younger to take the franchise on for another 12 years. If they want to shake things up, then Chiwetel Ejiofor (38) would be a far better bet. Gillian Anderson is the wrong gender wrong nationality and wrong age (47).

I see no particular reason why Bond can't be black; but he does need to be male, and he does need to be British. The only way they could get around that is by formalising the idea that the Bond name is a code name passed on to successors - which means redacting the start of Casino Royale, where he's called James Bond without 00 status and without a licence to kill.

Has Elba ever been in anything where he exudes class? I would genuinely be keen to see it because all I've seen is Luther which I watched recently because it's what everyone talks about and my opinion is he sounds like a slightly retarded Norf Londoner, and about as Bond like as Danny Dyer.

I think Fassbender would be very good, not sure on Hiddleston he is a bit pretty and frail. Ejiofor is a good shout as well, I've liked him in the stuff I've seen.

I thought Hiddleston did well in The Night Manager recently. He's not as muscular as Craig (probably not unsurmountable today with the right training) but he does have that sophisticated edge that is traditional Bond.

Sandydragon wrote:

jared_7 wrote:

Which Tyler wrote:Just because she's said she'd take the role, doesn't mean she's been offered it.

Tom Hiddlestone (35), Michael Fassbender (39), Tom Hardy (38) are all viable candidates.
Idris Elba (44) would have been great, but he needed it when Craig (36 when cast) got the job; no point saying that Craig is too old; so we'll give it to someone 4 years younger to take the franchise on for another 12 years. If they want to shake things up, then Chiwetel Ejiofor (38) would be a far better bet. Gillian Anderson is the wrong gender wrong nationality and wrong age (47).

I see no particular reason why Bond can't be black; but he does need to be male, and he does need to be British. The only way they could get around that is by formalising the idea that the Bond name is a code name passed on to successors - which means redacting the start of Casino Royale, where he's called James Bond without 00 status and without a licence to kill.

Has Elba ever been in anything where he exudes class? I would genuinely be keen to see it because all I've seen is Luther which I watched recently because it's what everyone talks about and my opinion is he sounds like a slightly retarded Norf Londoner, and about as Bond like as Danny Dyer.

I think Fassbender would be very good, not sure on Hiddleston he is a bit pretty and frail. Ejiofor is a good shout as well, I've liked him in the stuff I've seen.

I thought Hiddleston did well in The Night Manager recently. He's not as muscular as Craig (probably not unsurmountable today with the right training) but he does have that sophisticated edge that is traditional Bond.

Yes it certainly looked like a Bond audition, didn't it?

Very good series.

The whole Bond thing is a bit of a dinosaur now....isn't it?

morepork wrote:The whole Bond thing is a bit of a dinosaur now....isn't it?

Its still popular, which means it will continue. They do have a habit of reinventing it with every Bond.

Sandydragon wrote:I thought Hiddleston did well in The Night Manager recently. He's not as muscular as Craig (probably not unsurmountable today with the right training) but he does have that sophisticated edge that is traditional Bond.

Yep, t'was a good audition.
TBH I'd think that Hiddlestone now still looks more... athletic than Craig did shortly before being cast. Far from insurmountable.

jared_7 wrote:

Sandydragon wrote:

jared_7 wrote:
Has Elba ever been in anything where he exudes class? I would genuinely be keen to see it because all I've seen is Luther which I watched recently because it's what everyone talks about and my opinion is he sounds like a slightly retarded Norf Londoner, and about as Bond like as Danny Dyer.

I think Fassbender would be very good, not sure on Hiddleston he is a bit pretty and frail. Ejiofor is a good shout as well, I've liked him in the stuff I've seen.

I thought Hiddleston did well in The Night Manager recently. He's not as muscular as Craig (probably not unsurmountable today with the right training) but he does have that sophisticated edge that is traditional Bond.

Yes it certainly looked like a Bond audition, didn't it?

Very good series.

You can't go badly wrong with Le Carre.

The last Bond film was pants IMO. I've actually met Elba. Guy is a lej. So he gets my vote.

Len wrote:The last Bond film was pants IMO. I've actually met Elba. Guy is a lej. So he gets my vote.

The last hour stretched credibility, a lot.

I gave up on it.

Sandydragon wrote:

Len wrote:The last Bond film was pants IMO. I've actually met Elba. Guy is a lej. So he gets my vote.

The last hour stretched credibility, a lot.

Way too long, and needed a severe amount of editing to get it to a more wieldy run-time. That plus the "Bond and Blofeld were foster brothers!" shit was stupid a.f.

Bond films have been pants for years, nowhere near competing with bourne or mission impossible series. Hell, even Val Kilmers Saint was a better film than any of the recent Bond films.

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Do they ever have weemin head villains in Bond films or is it just the occasional hard jobbing of lesbians to show them the error of their ways?

Which Tyler wrote:Just because she's said she'd take the role, doesn't mean she's been offered it.

Tom Hiddlestone (35), Michael Fassbender (39), Tom Hardy (38) are all viable candidates.
Idris Elba (44) would have been great, but he needed it when Craig (36 when cast) got the job; no point saying that Craig is too old; so we'll give it to someone 4 years younger to take the franchise on for another 12 years. If they want to shake things up, then Chiwetel Ejiofor (38) would be a far better bet. Gillian Anderson is the wrong gender wrong nationality and wrong age (47).

I see no particular reason why Bond can't be black; but he does need to be male, and he does need to be British. The only way they could get around that is by formalising the idea that the Bond name is a code name passed on to successors - which means redacting the start of Casino Royale, where he's called James Bond without 00 status and without a licence to kill.

I'd take any of those choices and think they would all be fantastic. I think only now would a black Bond really make sense with the back story of Eton etc. However a friend pointed out that whilst it makes sense to us, it probably doesn't to the Chinese which is a major market for the franchise.

I can't really get my head around how a woman would work as James Bond. A codename passed to successors might do it and if so Anderson would be great. She has absolutely no problem playing British (she's done both Dickens and contemporary).

The only thing that could count against Elba, as has been pointed out, would be his age. He ain't getting any younger, and with them being made every 3 years or so, I can't see him getting more than 2 or 3.

Donny osmond wrote:Bond films have been pants for years, nowhere near competing with bourne or mission impossible series. Hell, even Val Kilmers Saint was a better film than any of the recent Bond films.

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Wrong. Especially the bit about the XT1052.

morepork wrote:Do they ever have weemin head villains in Bond films or is it just the occasional hard jobbing of lesbians to show them the error of their ways?

Elektra King from The World Is Not Enough, arguably.

cashead wrote:The only thing that could count against Elba, as has been pointed out, would be his age. He ain't getting any younger, and with them being made every 3 years or so, I can't see him getting more than 2 or 3.

Donny osmond wrote:Bond films have been pants for years, nowhere near competing with bourne or mission impossible series. Hell, even Val Kilmers Saint was a better film than any of the recent Bond films.

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Wrong. Especially the bit about the XT1052.

morepork wrote:Do they ever have weemin head villains in Bond films or is it just the occasional hard jobbing of lesbians to show them the error of their ways?

Elektra King from The World Is Not Enough, arguably.

I also think it's a role wasted on Elba. He'd be damn suited to being the baddie, which is much more fun role. He's gonna be the gunslinger, though

Don't remind me of Brosnan's films. Even Goldeneye, which I remembered fondly, was utter dribble when I tried to watch it again recently. Shame, because I like Brosnan, but those films were pants. On the same level as Quantum of ****

Stom wrote:

cashead wrote:The only thing that could count against Elba, as has been pointed out, would be his age. He ain't getting any younger, and with them being made every 3 years or so, I can't see him getting more than 2 or 3.

Donny osmond wrote:Bond films have been pants for years, nowhere near competing with bourne or mission impossible series. Hell, even Val Kilmers Saint was a better film than any of the recent Bond films.

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Wrong. Especially the bit about the XT1052.

morepork wrote:Do they ever have weemin head villains in Bond films or is it just the occasional hard jobbing of lesbians to show them the error of their ways?

Elektra King from The World Is Not Enough, arguably.

I also think it's a role wasted on Elba. He'd be damn suited to being the baddie, which is much more fun role. He's gonna be the gunslinger, though

Don't remind me of Brosnan's films. Even Goldeneye, which I remembered fondly, was utter dribble when I tried to watch it again recently. Shame, because I like Brosnan, but those films were pants. On the same level as Quantum of ****

The Brosnan movies are very much a case of diminishing returns. I had a fairly lengthy discussion with a good friend of mine, and I think we agreed that the most disappointing aspect of Die Another Day was that it was such a shit film on what should have been a landmark occasion, and that it wasn't about Bond shorn of his cars and gadgets having to think and fight his way through and out of North Korea with nothing but his wits and training would have been a far more interesting film than the garbage we ended up with. I know there's all that product placement and sponsorship deals and whatnot involved, but christ, it would have been a far better film than the drek we ended up with. Invisible cars? Gratuitous Madonna cameos? Killer satellites again? Fuck off.

Also, the theme song sucked so much shit, but then, the Brosnan films were a bit of a mixed bag with theme songs. kd lang's Surrender should have been the Tomorrow Never Dies theme song, and Garbage's theme song for The World Is Not Enough is legit one of the best Bond themes ever.

Quantum of Solace was very much a victim of circumstance as well, as it was basically a draft or two away from being a completed script, only for the writer's strike to happen.

Also, we could have had this instead of Sam Smith's theme song for Spectre, which was the dullest dull that ever dulled in the history of dullness.

That's the Radiohead one isn't it? So much better than Sam Smith

Sam Smith is a warbling little bitch.

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:That's the Radiohead one isn't it? So much better than Sam Smith

Writing's on the Wall is a song that constantly threatens to build up to something and then just peters away over and over, making it one of the dullest Bond themes ever, and I think that really hobbled Spectre for me right out of the gates.

cashead wrote:

Eugene Wrayburn wrote:That's the Radiohead one isn't it? So much better than Sam Smith

Writing's on the Wall is a song that constantly threatens to build up to something and then just peters away over and over, making it one of the dullest Bond themes ever, and I think that really hobbled Spectre for me right out of the gates.

Yeah, it was shit. Skyfall intro was way better.