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Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:52 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
NORTHAMPTON SAINTS vs GLOUCESTER RUGBY
Gallagher Premiership, Round 7
Saturday 30 November, 2024
cinch Stadium at Franklin’s Gardens
Kick-off: 3pm

15 George Furbank (c)
14 George Hendy
13 Tom Litchfield
12 Rory Hutchinson
11 Ollie Sleightholme
10 Fin Smith
9 Tom James

1 Tom West
2 Curtis Langdon
3 Trevor Davison
4 Chunya Munga
5 Alex Coles
6 Angus Scott-Young
7 Tom Pearson
8 Juarno Augustus

Replacements:
16 Craig Wright
17 Emmanuel Iyogun
18 Luke Green
19 Tom Lockett
20 Henry Pollock
21 Alex Mitchell
22 Fraser Dingwall
23 James Ramm

Not available for selection:
Emeka Atuanya, Sam Graham, Callum Hunter-Hill, Josh Kemeny, Burger Odendaal, Toby Thame and Robbie Smith.

GLOUCESTER TEAM TO FACE SAINTS:
15 Santi Carreras, 14 Christian Wade, 13 Max Llewellyn, 12 Seb Atkinson, 11 Ollie Thorley, 10 Gareth Anscombe, 9 Caolan Englefield; 1 Val Rapava-Ruskin, 2 Jack Singleton, 3 Afo Fasogbon, 4 Arthur Clark, 5 Freddie Thomas, 6 Jack Clement, 7 Lewis Ludlow (c), 8 Zach Mercer.
Replacements: 16 Seb Blake, 17 Ciaran Knight, 18 Kirill Gotovtsev, 19 Matias Alemanno, 20 Ruan Ackermann, 21 Charlie Chapman, 22 Chris Harris, 23 Josh Hathaway.

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:58 pm
by FKAS
Well this one looks like it'll be fun. I suspect the Saints bench will make the difference.

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 1:18 pm
by fivepointer
Pleased to see Mitchell back.

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Fri Nov 29, 2024 4:21 pm
by Adam_P
Excellent for Saints and England to see Mitchell back. Cracking back 3 for Saints, and Glos! Hopefully a try fest.

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:11 pm
by Adam_P
Non stop first ten minutes

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:22 pm
by Oakboy
Weird HIA scenario stopping Fin Smith returning because the medics pissed about and exceeded the 10 minutes allowed.

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:29 pm
by Adam_P
Yeah that's very annoying for both Saints and my fantasy team. Scrap that stupid rule - what does it achieve other than potentially rushing through HIAs?

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:45 pm
by Oakboy
I've not seen much of James. Seems a bit dithery and mistake-prone today. Is he usually better than this?

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:48 pm
by FKAS
Oakboy wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:45 pm I've not seen much of James. Seems a bit dithery and mistake-prone today. Is he usually better than this?
Has looked good previously as a back up, given the starting job whilst Mitchell has been injured and not done himself any favours.

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:49 pm
by FKAS
Adam_P wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:29 pm Yeah that's very annoying for both Saints and my fantasy team. Scrap that stupid rule - what does it achieve other than potentially rushing through HIAs?
Presumably to stop teams playing silly buggers and subbing every player with a "HIA" and then being able to bring them back on later if they feel like it. Seems a bit over the top though. You don't want the medics rushing the process.

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:53 pm
by Which Tyler
TBH, if you can't get sure that the HIA has been passed after 10 minutes, then you can't trust that the pass is conclusive

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:03 pm
by Captainhaircut
Sleightholme’s defence feels problematic at the moment.

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:03 pm
by Oakboy
Which Tyler wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:53 pm TBH, if you can't get sure that the HIA has been passed after 10 minutes, then you can't trust that the pass is conclusive
WT, what can vary so much in the process? We have seen other players ready after 5 or 6 minutes.

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:04 pm
by Oakboy
Captainhaircut wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:03 pm Sleightholme’s defence feels problematic at the moment.
He seems to be slow getting to contact - oddly, considering his pace. Is he just indecisive?

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:16 pm
by Which Tyler
Oakboy wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:03 pm WT, what can vary so much in the process? We have seen other players ready after 5 or 6 minutes.
6 is about the lower limit.
Different people take different times to answer questions, simple as that.

But theres a good argument that if you're taking double that,then it's either a fail, or equivocal, and if equivocal, you're better off treating it as a fail

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:18 pm
by Captainhaircut
Can someone help me with the rules re that sleightholme non try. Is Mercer allowing to just go with a two handed push rather than a proper tackle with a wrap?

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:24 pm
by FKAS
Which Tyler wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 3:53 pm TBH, if you can't get sure that the HIA has been passed after 10 minutes, then you can't trust that the pass is conclusive
Depends whether the technology is working, whether the independent doctor is in place to do their bits etc. If everything is good to go and the tests are started instantly then yes I'd agree.

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:29 pm
by Which Tyler
If the tech isn't working, then yeah, though I do t see why there wouldn't be a paper copy backup.
Independent Dr not being there has no excuse.
There's still a good 4 minutes of leeway from the time it can take to do the tests. Seems plenty to me, though I wouldn't argue if it was 11 minutes instead of 10, but if there's going to be a cut-off, then there's going to be a cut-off. There needs to be space cut-off

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 4:56 pm
by Adam_P
If only we kicked the 3 at sixty-something mins right in front of the posts. Awful discipline in the first half cost us that

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 5:24 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
As a neutral that was good fun. Gloucester almost punched themselves out but managed to hang on. They played some lovely stuff in there too.

Smith was a big loss for Saints!

Atkinson again impressed. His hands and ability to draw the defender in before taking his option is bloody lovely!

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 6:02 pm
by Mikey Brown
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 5:24 pm Atkinson again impressed. His hands and ability to draw the defender in before taking his option is bloody lovely!
This is one of those comments that will make me seek out a game I missed. He's just so good to watch. Dare I say it, he has that Will Greenwood thing where he just sees the space and the timings of those around him so clearly.

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 6:21 pm
by p/d
Mikey Brown wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 6:02 pm
Epaminondas Pules wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 5:24 pm Atkinson again impressed. His hands and ability to draw the defender in before taking his option is bloody lovely!
This is one of those comments that will make me seek out a game I missed. He's just so good to watch. Dare I say it, he has that Will Greenwood thing where he just sees the space and the timings of those around him so clearly.
You mocking MB?

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 7:15 pm
by Mikey Brown
No? I think he looks incredible with the ball. I thought you had the same opinion?

We're talking about Seb and not Charlie, right?

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 8:17 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Fasogbon was good again.

Re: Saints vs Gloucester

Posted: Sat Nov 30, 2024 10:22 pm
by p/d
Mikey Brown wrote: Sat Nov 30, 2024 7:15 pm No? I think he looks incredible with the ball. I thought you had the same opinion?

We're talking about Seb and not Charlie, right?
Oh yes, I’m on the hill with EP!!! Been banging on about him for, well, dingers of seasons. I just thought your post might have been tongue in cheek :D