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Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 2:24 pm
by Banquo
Mellsblue wrote:Digby wrote:Mellsblue wrote:
Will def need to change game plan this weekend, then. Say what you want about the Irish but they know their potatoes.
History says otherwise to the tune of a famine
A famine of entertaining rugby?
A blight on the game
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:01 pm
by morepork
Jesus, they must have set an alarm clock for James Lowes residency requirement. Straight in.
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:03 pm
by Digby
He looked decent against Wales, very good actually. His kicking especially, and that's the primary requirement on a back
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:03 pm
by Puja
morepork wrote:Jesus, they must have set an alarm clock for James Lowes residency requirement. Straight in.
He was actually in last week, possibly to the minute of his eligibility.
Puja
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:16 pm
by morepork
Digby wrote:He looked decent against Wales, very good actually. His kicking especially, and that's the primary requirement on a back
He was a loss to NZ when he left pretty much near the peak of his game.
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:30 pm
by Oakboy
Will we be entertained in this next one? I find it bizarre that the silences, player applauses and anthems persist with no crowd. In fact, does it make any sense not to play the games at the Stoop or anywhere smaller for a bit more atmosphere? Presumably, the bullshit gatherings don't occur in lockdown so does it even make economic sense at Twickenham? Would TV coverage require it?
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 3:54 pm
by Banquo
Oakboy wrote:Will we be entertained in this next one? I find it bizarre that the silences, player applauses and anthems persist with no crowd. In fact, does it make any sense not to play the games at the Stoop or anywhere smaller for a bit more atmosphere? Presumably, the bullshit gatherings don't occur in lockdown so does it even make economic sense at Twickenham? Would TV coverage require it?
Crikey, and I thought I was feeling gloomy.
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:19 pm
by Digby
morepork wrote:Digby wrote:He looked decent against Wales, very good actually. His kicking especially, and that's the primary requirement on a back
He was a loss to NZ when he left pretty much near the peak of his game.
Peak indeed, he's already around 100 games behind Elliot Daly. How are your players going to peak if you don't flog them into the ground?
I don't know how much you've missed him tbh, he'd add perhaps a little bulk to your backline, but I don't often watch your lot and think yep, that back three looks ropey and then some.
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:27 pm
by morepork
We would have moulded him into something other than kick return automaton #11.
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:29 pm
by Oakboy
Banquo wrote:Oakboy wrote:Will we be entertained in this next one? I find it bizarre that the silences, player applauses and anthems persist with no crowd. In fact, does it make any sense not to play the games at the Stoop or anywhere smaller for a bit more atmosphere? Presumably, the bullshit gatherings don't occur in lockdown so does it even make economic sense at Twickenham? Would TV coverage require it?
Crikey, and I thought I was feeling gloomy.
Lockdown blues! Can't play racketball at present (too old for squash now). Just thinking of a new woodwork project and the wife has declared that I need to decorate the kitchen first. That just leaves alcohol!
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:32 pm
by morepork
No firearms in the house I hope Oakboy?
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 4:36 pm
by Oakboy
morepork wrote:No firearms in the house I hope Oakboy?
No, plenty of wine though.
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:48 pm
by Epaminondas Pules
Oakboy wrote:Banquo wrote:Oakboy wrote:Will we be entertained in this next one? I find it bizarre that the silences, player applauses and anthems persist with no crowd. In fact, does it make any sense not to play the games at the Stoop or anywhere smaller for a bit more atmosphere? Presumably, the bullshit gatherings don't occur in lockdown so does it even make economic sense at Twickenham? Would TV coverage require it?
Crikey, and I thought I was feeling gloomy.
Lockdown blues! Can't play racketball at present (too old for squash now). Just thinking of a new woodwork project and the wife has declared that I need to decorate the kitchen first. That just leaves alcohol!
Drink enough alcohol and decorating the kitchen will take care of itself.
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:49 pm
by Digby
morepork wrote:We would have moulded him into something other than kick return automaton #11.
Maybe. You don't seem to do much development with wingers though, just pick someone with an absurd physical skillset and play them for 18 months until they get a knee injury and/or the next exciting talent emerges. With allowances only made for 6'5" lads who play like a less skilled and very skinny version of Banahan
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 5:52 pm
by Oakboy
Epaminondas Pules wrote:Oakboy wrote:Banquo wrote:
Crikey, and I thought I was feeling gloomy.
Lockdown blues! Can't play racketball at present (too old for squash now). Just thinking of a new woodwork project and the wife has declared that I need to decorate the kitchen first. That just leaves alcohol!
Drink enough alcohol and decorating the kitchen will take care of itself.
I'll quote you to 'her indoors' and see what she thinks while I am still coherent.

There's something I don't understand about changing the f*cking colour????

Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:07 pm
by Digby
We're supposed to be doing a whole new kitchen, new hob, new ovens (one of which must or must not be a steam oven), new flooring, cupboards, new fridge/freezer potentially some extension work and new windows/doors done before anything else, possibly knocking through into a larger dining/seating area, possible just having a breakfast bar...... it goes on and on. None of which means I haven't also looked at many, many colour samples, be those tiles, flooring, cabinets...
Although if the match is as bad as the last two I could get some brownie points for being happy to chat kitchens whilst the rugby is on.
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:32 pm
by Oakboy
Digby wrote:We're supposed to be doing a whole new kitchen, new hob, new ovens (one of which must or must not be a steam oven), new flooring, cupboards, new fridge/freezer potentially some extension work and new windows/doors done before anything else, possibly knocking through into a larger dining/seating area, possible just having a breakfast bar...... it goes on and on. None of which means I haven't also looked at many, many colour samples, be those tiles, flooring, cabinets...
Although if the match is as bad as the last two I could get some brownie points for being happy to chat kitchens whilst the rugby is on.
Creep!
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:34 pm
by Stom
Digby wrote:We're supposed to be doing a whole new kitchen, new hob, new ovens (one of which must or must not be a steam oven), new flooring, cupboards, new fridge/freezer potentially some extension work and new windows/doors done before anything else, possibly knocking through into a larger dining/seating area, possible just having a breakfast bar...... it goes on and on. None of which means I haven't also looked at many, many colour samples, be those tiles, flooring, cabinets...
Although if the match is as bad as the last two I could get some brownie points for being happy to chat kitchens whilst the rugby is on.
We're also planning a kitchen renovation, though we have the fridge already. Will require everything new and a complete new layout as the current one is just terrible, tbh (previous owners built the house and, well, didn't have an eye for details).
Will most likely result in us throwing the kitchen sink. We won't call Ben Youngs to help, or he'll end up kicking the bloody thing instead.
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 6:38 pm
by Digby
Stom wrote:Digby wrote:We're supposed to be doing a whole new kitchen, new hob, new ovens (one of which must or must not be a steam oven), new flooring, cupboards, new fridge/freezer potentially some extension work and new windows/doors done before anything else, possibly knocking through into a larger dining/seating area, possible just having a breakfast bar...... it goes on and on. None of which means I haven't also looked at many, many colour samples, be those tiles, flooring, cabinets...
Although if the match is as bad as the last two I could get some brownie points for being happy to chat kitchens whilst the rugby is on.
We're also planning a kitchen renovation, though we have the fridge already. Will require everything new and a complete new layout as the current one is just terrible, tbh (previous owners built the house and, well, didn't have an eye for details).
Will most likely result in us throwing the kitchen sink. We won't call Ben Youngs to help, or he'll end up kicking the bloody thing instead.
We have the new fridge too, but it can't go in the kitchen yet as we need a bigger doorway to get it through. someone might have already scratched it trying to do that and it didn't go over well
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 7:46 pm
by morepork
Digby wrote:morepork wrote:We would have moulded him into something other than kick return automaton #11.
Maybe. You don't seem to do much development with wingers though, just pick someone with an absurd physical skillset and play them for 18 months until they get a knee injury and/or the next exciting talent emerges. With allowances only made for 6'5" lads who play like a less skilled and very skinny version of Banahan
Fakes gnus. We often force them to play centre.
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 11:40 pm
by Digby
Fake guns is a decent summation of where the current NZ pack is.
Back on England we often talk about the kicking game and the attack, with some bias for lamenting the attack, but what are people hoping for in this series of game around the Mitchell defence? We've missed out on Willis Vs Stander hunting turnovers, indeed without Willis we've really no one to look for turnovers in the ruck, maybe Curry a little bit but only if it's obviously on or he's backed into a corner. And that's interesting in a team that could have lots of players looking to jackal, an unusually high number actually, but in practice just doesn't.
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 12:44 am
by Puja
Digby wrote:Fake guns is a decent summation of where the current NZ pack is.
Back on England we often talk about the kicking game and the attack, with some bias for lamenting the attack, but what are people hoping for in this series of game around the Mitchell defence? We've missed out on Willis Vs Stander hunting turnovers, indeed without Willis we've really no one to look for turnovers in the ruck, maybe Curry a little bit but only if it's obviously on or he's backed into a corner. And that's interesting in a team that could have lots of players looking to jackal, an unusually high number actually, but in practice just doesn't.
Wait, Curry doesn't jackal?!
Oh, I get it now. Nice try jngf, but we can tell it's you. How'd you get hold of Digby's password anyway?
Puja
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 8:29 am
by Oakboy
Presumably, Jones's one idea for doing without Billy remains Curry at 8. I'd like to see Earl there for the last 20 minutes. If he is not a viable option there he could/should struggle to stay in the squad. Curry should be kept on the flank.
I know it's old ground and it won't happen with Jones but can we see, just for once, the last 20 minutes without Youngs and Farrell? I am fed up with praying for minor injuries to them both.
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:05 am
by Banquo
Digby wrote:Fake guns is a decent summation of where the current NZ pack is.
Back on England we often talk about the kicking game and the attack, with some bias for lamenting the attack, but what are people hoping for in this series of game around the Mitchell defence? We've missed out on Willis Vs Stander hunting turnovers, indeed without Willis we've really no one to look for turnovers in the ruck, maybe Curry a little bit but only if it's obviously on or he's backed into a corner. And that's interesting in a team that could have lots of players looking to jackal, an unusually high number actually, but in practice just doesn't.
Itoje is handy at ruck turnovers and... um...
Re: England vs. Ireland - Saturday 21st Nov
Posted: Thu Nov 19, 2020 9:16 am
by Digby
Banquo wrote:Digby wrote:Fake guns is a decent summation of where the current NZ pack is.
Back on England we often talk about the kicking game and the attack, with some bias for lamenting the attack, but what are people hoping for in this series of game around the Mitchell defence? We've missed out on Willis Vs Stander hunting turnovers, indeed without Willis we've really no one to look for turnovers in the ruck, maybe Curry a little bit but only if it's obviously on or he's backed into a corner. And that's interesting in a team that could have lots of players looking to jackal, an unusually high number actually, but in practice just doesn't.
Itoje is handy at ruck turnovers and... um...
Not recently he isn't. He can get stuck in, so too Curry, but they don't, which like Youngs kicking is probably somewhat down to orders and having as many people on their feet in the line as possible. That way we can apply pressure so the ball is kicked to us, because otherwise how will we kick the ball back?