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Peej wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:21 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:54 am I think Barbeary at 12, even for school, was only ever to continue to develop his skillset rather than as a move to the backs.

I'm hoping Hartley is at 15 due to wasps lack of fit 15s and putting the next best option there.

He started running at 15 in preseason, so before some of the injuries. I think it's recognition that Wasps are weak there, but also combined with the fact Wasps have also signed a budget-version of Esterhuizen to play 12.

I also have to take slight umbrage at Scrumhead's characterisation of Flutey. In his spell at LI and then first spell at Wasps he was easily the outstanding 12 in the league. Didn't make him any less Maori and more English, but the quality was clear. When he came back from Brive, however....

FKAS wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:12 am

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:12 am I'm just waiting for someone to mention Steward at 12 again. With Arundell's emergence I can imagine crazier things than Eddie opting to do a Jamie Roberts with him, out of nowhere.

Only a matter of time. Some former international mooted it after he broke through initially but that quickly went away when it became obvious he just cleans up a lot of the stuff in the backfield that used to cause England problems.

He played 13 for Loughborough University and both 10 and 13 at school before converting to 15 in the Tigers academy. Moving one of the few backline players that is completely settled would be a pretty odd call so expect Eddie to trial it this Autumn if/when Manu picks up an injury.

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:01 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:12 am

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:12 am I'm just waiting for someone to mention Steward at 12 again. With Arundell's emergence I can imagine crazier things than Eddie opting to do a Jamie Roberts with him, out of nowhere.

Only a matter of time. Some former international mooted it after he broke through initially but that quickly went away when it became obvious he just cleans up a lot of the stuff in the backfield that used to cause England problems.

He played 13 for Loughborough University and both 10 and 13 at school before converting to 15 in the Tigers academy. Moving one of the few backline players that is completely settled would be a pretty odd call so expect Eddie to trial it this Autumn if/when Manu picks up an injury.

Arundell to 12 seems the obvious move then?

Puja

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:01 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:12 am

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:12 am I'm just waiting for someone to mention Steward at 12 again. With Arundell's emergence I can imagine crazier things than Eddie opting to do a Jamie Roberts with him, out of nowhere.

Only a matter of time. Some former international mooted it after he broke through initially but that quickly went away when it became obvious he just cleans up a lot of the stuff in the backfield that used to cause England problems.

He played 13 for Loughborough University and both 10 and 13 at school before converting to 15 in the Tigers academy. Moving one of the few backline players that is completely settled would be a pretty odd call so expect Eddie to trial it this Autumn if/when Manu picks up an injury.

Arundell to 12 seems the obvious move then?

Puja

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:01 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:12 am

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 9:12 am I'm just waiting for someone to mention Steward at 12 again. With Arundell's emergence I can imagine crazier things than Eddie opting to do a Jamie Roberts with him, out of nowhere.

Only a matter of time. Some former international mooted it after he broke through initially but that quickly went away when it became obvious he just cleans up a lot of the stuff in the backfield that used to cause England problems.

He played 13 for Loughborough University and both 10 and 13 at school before converting to 15 in the Tigers academy. Moving one of the few backline players that is completely settled would be a pretty odd call so expect Eddie to trial it this Autumn if/when Manu picks up an injury.

Arundell to 12 seems the obvious move then?

Puja

Mikey Brown wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:13 am I’ve always thought Marchant could be handy at 15 anyway.

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:40 am Furbank at 10, Ford at 9.

Puja

Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:59 am

Peej wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:16 am

Oakboy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:19 am Maybe, Quins selection policy, together with the thread's debate, just proves that Esterhuizen is 1. irreplaceable and 2. close to the ideal modern IC. That SA (apparently) have a better one is cause for concern in terms of assessing English development. 'Nothing much since Greenwood' is pretty condemnatory.

People in SA are tearing their hair out at Nienaber's selections, so I wouldn't read too much into that.

I think his sole aim is the World Cup and he's trying out loads of combos. Lot of talented SA backs. De Allende and Am are a very good combo, in their own way.

Peej wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:17 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:59 am

Peej wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:16 am

People in SA are tearing their hair out at Nienaber's selections, so I wouldn't read too much into that.

I think his sole aim is the World Cup and he's trying out loads of combos. Lot of talented SA backs. De Allende and Am are a very good combo, in their own way.

I don't think picking Frans Steyn can be classed as 'trying out loads of combos.' No question on Am, he's the best 13 in the world. But Nienaber's ignored a whole host of form, young players in favour of old workhorses who are, as in the case of Vermuelen, had their day and mostly knackered.

Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:00 am

Peej wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:21 am

Raggs wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 8:54 am I think Barbeary at 12, even for school, was only ever to continue to develop his skillset rather than as a move to the backs.

I'm hoping Hartley is at 15 due to wasps lack of fit 15s and putting the next best option there.

He started running at 15 in preseason, so before some of the injuries. I think it's recognition that Wasps are weak there, but also combined with the fact Wasps have also signed a budget-version of Esterhuizen to play 12.

I also have to take slight umbrage at Scrumhead's characterisation of Flutey. In his spell at LI and then first spell at Wasps he was easily the outstanding 12 in the league. Didn't make him any less Maori and more English, but the quality was clear. When he came back from Brive, however....

Yep, pre injury, Flutey was handy.

Peej wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 12:17 pm

Banquo wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:59 am

Peej wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 10:16 am

People in SA are tearing their hair out at Nienaber's selections, so I wouldn't read too much into that.

I think his sole aim is the World Cup and he's trying out loads of combos. Lot of talented SA backs. De Allende and Am are a very good combo, in their own way.

I don't think picking Frans Steyn can be classed as 'trying out loads of combos.' No question on Am, he's the best 13 in the world. But Nienaber's ignored a whole host of form, young players in favour of old workhorses who are, as in the case of Vermuelen, had their day and mostly knackered.

FKAS wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:52 am

Puja wrote: ↑Wed Oct 05, 2022 11:40 am Furbank at 10, Ford at 9.

Puja

Outstanding. I presume Barbeary will be in at hooker. With Underhill out we are robbed of the Cunderhillis backrow though.

Peej wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:10 am Will Steward look good at 12 outside Farrell though?

FKAS wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:24 am

Peej wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:10 am Will Steward look good at 12 outside Farrell though?

Depends which Farrell. If it's the Farrell we've seen previously for England than probably not as he has tended just to invite his centres to crash the ball up with little deception or innovation. If it's the Farrell who's turned up for Saracens in the league this season then all bets are off, looks like he's finally taken the handbrake off his attacking play.

Mellsblue wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:11 am He might look quicker…

FKAS wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:24 am

Peej wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:10 am Will Steward look good at 12 outside Farrell though?

Depends which Farrell. If it's the Farrell we've seen previously for England than probably not as he has tended just to invite his centres to crash the ball up with little deception or innovation. If it's the Farrell who's turned up for Saracens in the league this season then all bets are off, looks like he's finally taken the handbrake off his attacking play.

FKAS wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:24 am If it's the Farrell who's turned up for Saracens in the league this season then all bets are off, looks like he's finally taken the handbrake off his attacking play.

Oakboy wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:31 am

FKAS wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:24 am

Peej wrote: ↑Thu Oct 06, 2022 10:10 am Will Steward look good at 12 outside Farrell though?

Depends which Farrell. If it's the Farrell we've seen previously for England than probably not as he has tended just to invite his centres to crash the ball up with little deception or innovation. If it's the Farrell who's turned up for Saracens in the league this season then all bets are off, looks like he's finally taken the handbrake off his attacking play.

Has he done it against a decent quality defence? I've only seen him once this season. Reportedly, several clubs' defences have been rather porous. I'd still pick him at 10 for England just to get him out of the 12 shirt.