Re: Ban Petrol and Diesel Cars
Posted: Sun Apr 24, 2016 1:45 pm
Petrol is king.
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37 hours from a standard socket. From a super fast charging socket which you can buy or there are a few dotted around it takes 4.5 hours. So if you never do more than 150 miles a day (215 is the equivalent of a petrol car manufacturers' figure and almost certainly unachievable in real life) it's an option. For the rest of us it isn't.Lizard wrote:215 miles is plenty, really. I would drive further than that in one go maybe once a year, if that.
How long does it take to charge a Tesla 3?
Maybe this is in the states but the cheapest Tesla 3 is £59K in the UK including the government's £5K incentive.Sandydragon wrote:Tesla 3 is advertised for $35K which is getting close to a reasonable value for a new car. But range is only 215 miles. That's fine for around town, but not so good for longer distance. If they can get the range up to that of an average diesel car then it becomes a valid option, either that or radically reduce recharge times, which I'm not sure is possible.
My wife would probably agree. I can very routinely drive well past that in a single day. I would explore a hybrid solution for my next car, but going completely electric is a non-starter for me, or anyone else who does significant mileage.Lizard wrote:215 miles is plenty, really. I would drive further than that in one go maybe once a year, if that.
How long does it take to charge a Tesla 3?
That's not great. 4.5 hours at a service station, assuming that the charger is super fast and available, is just misery. I can see a solution for short distance drivers around towns, but anyone who drives long distance cant rely on electric, which is why even considering banning diesel and petrol is 10 years is plain stupid.onlynameleft wrote:37 hours from a standard socket. From a super fast charging socket which you can buy or there are a few dotted around it takes 4.5 hours. So if you never do more than 150 miles a day (215 is the equivalent of a petrol car manufacturers' figure and almost certainly unachievable in real life) it's an option. For the rest of us it isn't.Lizard wrote:215 miles is plenty, really. I would drive further than that in one go maybe once a year, if that.
How long does it take to charge a Tesla 3?
No longer than filling with diesel. The issue is there are only 8 filling stations in uk to date and none north of Sheffield. But that should change. It's a better long term bet imho.Sandydragon wrote:That's not great. 4.5 hours at a service station, assuming that the charger is super fast and available, is just misery. I can see a solution for short distance drivers around towns, but anyone who drives long distance cant rely on electric, which is why even considering banning diesel and petrol is 10 years is plain stupid.onlynameleft wrote:37 hours from a standard socket. From a super fast charging socket which you can buy or there are a few dotted around it takes 4.5 hours. So if you never do more than 150 miles a day (215 is the equivalent of a petrol car manufacturers' figure and almost certainly unachievable in real life) it's an option. For the rest of us it isn't.Lizard wrote:215 miles is plenty, really. I would drive further than that in one go maybe once a year, if that.
How long does it take to charge a Tesla 3?
I'm assuming that refilling a hydrogen car would be much quicker - anyone know?
Cheers, that fits my assumption. The refill time alone must make hydrogen a more realistic bet for the long term. Realistically, if a hydrogen car with reasonable range and price becomes available, then the infrastructure will follow, particularly if the industry supplying hydrogen knows that it will become the main game in town in a decade or so. It would probably take 5-10 years to make the infrastructure changes.onlynameleft wrote:No longer than filling with diesel. The issue is there are only 8 filling stations in uk to date and none north of Sheffield. But that should change. It's a better long term bet imho.Sandydragon wrote:That's not great. 4.5 hours at a service station, assuming that the charger is super fast and available, is just misery. I can see a solution for short distance drivers around towns, but anyone who drives long distance cant rely on electric, which is why even considering banning diesel and petrol is 10 years is plain stupid.onlynameleft wrote:
37 hours from a standard socket. From a super fast charging socket which you can buy or there are a few dotted around it takes 4.5 hours. So if you never do more than 150 miles a day (215 is the equivalent of a petrol car manufacturers' figure and almost certainly unachievable in real life) it's an option. For the rest of us it isn't.
I'm assuming that refilling a hydrogen car would be much quicker - anyone know?
It's 7 miles, and it's an entirely useless metric, unless you're suggesting that people have two cars - one for their "average" trips and one for their long trips.Donny osmond wrote:Isn't the average car journey in the uk something like 2 miles? Do a couple of them a day and top up the battery on an overnight charge, you're laughing. Fair enough longer journeys/days you need something more, but there are literally millions of short journeys made every day that are suited to an electric vehicle.
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Many families have two cars, and I bet only one of them gets used for longer trips (like to Gatwick or to see family)Stones of granite wrote:It's 7 miles, and it's an entirely useless metric, unless you're suggesting that people have two cars - one for their "average" trips and one for their long trips.Donny osmond wrote:Isn't the average car journey in the uk something like 2 miles? Do a couple of them a day and top up the battery on an overnight charge, you're laughing. Fair enough longer journeys/days you need something more, but there are literally millions of short journeys made every day that are suited to an electric vehicle.
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Could be a thread of its own!morepork wrote:I will not face the apocalypse in a Prius.
...and many families don't. What's your point?Zhivago wrote:Many families have two cars, and I bet only one of them gets used for longer trips (like to Gatwick or to see family)Stones of granite wrote:It's 7 miles, and it's an entirely useless metric, unless you're suggesting that people have two cars - one for their "average" trips and one for their long trips.Donny osmond wrote:Isn't the average car journey in the uk something like 2 miles? Do a couple of them a day and top up the battery on an overnight charge, you're laughing. Fair enough longer journeys/days you need something more, but there are literally millions of short journeys made every day that are suited to an electric vehicle.
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Hilux. Has to be.morepork wrote:I will not face the apocalypse in a Prius.
Ah, the automotive equivalent of a cockroach! Must dig out that barry crump ad from the you tubeLen wrote:Hilux. Has to be.morepork wrote:I will not face the apocalypse in a Prius.
Hammy, please change name of thread to "I will not face the apocalypse in a Prius."morepork wrote:I will not face the apocalypse in a Prius.
Going to go look at one on Thursday.canta_brian wrote:Ah, the automotive equivalent of a cockroach! Must dig out that barry crump ad from the you tubeLen wrote:Hilux. Has to be.morepork wrote:I will not face the apocalypse in a Prius.
Len wrote:Going to go look at one on Thursday.canta_brian wrote:Ah, the automotive equivalent of a cockroach! Must dig out that barry crump ad from the you tubeLen wrote:
Hilux. Has to be.
What can I say... I'm a fan of your workmorepork wrote:Hey Hey. New Fred title.
So best case it takes an hour to charge 80 odd percent of the battery, and that is if there isn't anyone else charging nearby. I agree regarding the infrastructure, living in the westcountry I don't think I've ever seen an electric charging unit at a petrol station or anywhere else, which effectively makes these cars next to feckin' useless.Dacre wrote:The problem with Electric cars is the recharging infrastructure. Electric cars make most sense in highly populated urban areas where mileages per day are low. But most of the people who live in these areas don't have a drive, garage or parking space to charge their cars overnight. Where I live in West London there are probably 30 cars parked on the street for every 1 car parked on a drive.
Until there are under roadsurface chargers that will charge cars as they drive along, electric will be let down by charging infrastructure
SandyDragon's times for Tesla superchargers is incorrect - much quicker than 4.5 hours
See the link http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s/20 ... harge.html